he became the soaring, rush limbaugh and others said you will be biased in your hosts in this debate and the walter cronkite. it was to be the subject of that furious continent -- controversy for a while? >> guest: i use it but at the time i was presented by my little possy who do not let me see a lot of what was said in which was a good thing because afterward and said it my god i never would have done this because there's senes but it was helpful. people like rush limbaugh who is an entertainer and can say whatever he dislikes but did not a i mean and the people i thought i knew and should have it is a small effort to get it right and those of the people who i felt unfairly treated by the people who i did not know who were mean to me i didn't care and the vast majority in turned out for people who did know and work with me and who immediately sent this can't be sure and i felt vindicated by that. >> host: thank you, gwen ifill, author of a "the breakthrough: politics and race in the age of obama". also visible on your local pbs station. >> guest: thank you, david, this was fun.